chadincolo
Posted 8/28/ 15:39 (#)
Subject: Schwan's truck questions
Goto CIMC ENRIC to know more.
Lander, WY
I am looking at getting one and setting it up with a flatbed and gooseneck hitch. My current pickup is over 225,000 miles, which hasn't bugged me since it's only been getting a couple thousand miles a year, but new ventures are looking at me needing to pull a flatbed and livestock trailer more often, and since my current pickup is starting to show it's age and need some work
(ball joints, cat converter, tailgate mechanism broke, etc
), figure it might be better to switch. Fuel cost of LPG looks good to me, and I can get a C or C with 150-200k miles for a good price. Some of my trips now needing a trailer wouldn't with a 12 foot flat bed on the truck. There is no way I can justify a diesel, locally I will pay 3 times or more for a decent diesel 3/4 or 1 ton what I can buy an ex-Schwan truck for, and then pay 3 times as much for fuel. I would buy another V10 Ford before making the jump to diesel.
I know someone on here had posted pictures of them using one in the past, just wondering if they or anybody else has some feedback on their experiences. Small-timer
Posted 8/28/ 15:56 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
SW WI
LPG has less power, wont ride as nice, wont turn as sharp, isn't 4wd. Those are the down sides I'm seeing to that. Lots of guys are going to say no but thats up to you.
Posted 8/28/ 16:00 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
Realize you said you are thinking LP. I have a on classifieds you might have missed that would be set up exactly like you are talking. It's a great truck but going a different route so it's the one that has to go.
http://agtalkplus.com/?q=node/ Oakdale81
Posted 8/28/ 16:05 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Schwan's truck questions
SW WI
Have a neighbor that has had one for close to two years and he likes it.... I dont know what he gets for mileage and he does use it to pull a 400 bushel gooseneck dumpbox, but it is a flat run to the elevator. illinidirtfarmer
Posted 8/28/ 16:16 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
WC IL
You can find single axle road tractors for a pretty reasonable price, some of them fairly low miles. I got one to pull goosenecks with a year ago, a '99 IH . It has an M11 330 hp. Cummins and 9 speed, 4.11 gears and I can get from 7-9 mpg. with it. Has air ride which really makes the trailers pull nice, and will turn shorter than any pickup I've ever owned. Wish I had gone this route years ago. Don't know how many miles a year you would run, but you might think about this option. dale
Posted 8/28/ 16:22 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Schwan's truck questions
SE Iowa
I have a with the 8.1 lpg. pulls great, drives great, will turn shorter then any pickup backing up is a breeze. the way the rear springs are it rides nicer then a 1 ton. fuel mileage that i have gotten are 4 mpg pulling a trailer and 6 mpg on a road trip,
(empty going and pulling a moco coming home.
) so figure 10mpg with a 3/4 ton comes out to .35 cents a mile at 3.50 gas and figure 5mpg with the comes out to .35 cents at 1.75 lpg. and you have alot more truck with gvw can put just about anything on the back. mines had a hoist on it too comes in handy
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Posted 8/28/ 16:41 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
MN
here's a fleet of them you probably can buy cheap....
http://www.landandhomeservices.com/pdf/171SalePDF.pdf senorthdakota
Posted 8/28/ 16:50 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
Have a 04 also found one with 120k on it with the 8.1 lpg we have flatbed on it also looks just like dales. We use for service truck an really like it would be lost without it for the money cant be beat! Have a corkin pump to fill with propane also which is a must instead of depending on supplier to fill up. Would like to find another low mileage one. Brad J
Posted 8/28/ 17:49 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
Tangent, OR
out of curiosity, how far will one of those trucks go on a fill up? Merle
Posted 8/28/ 18:02 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
Ran a Chev 8.1 6 sp. propane bobtail truck using propane as fuel. That truck didn't take a backseat to anyone. More power than you will ever need for what you want to use it for. Down side is you had better be good at figuring things out because no one will work on them when you have problems. The motor I had used a little oil, not much but needed to watch it. senorthdakota
Posted 8/28/ 18:03 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
Ours has one 50 gallon tank some have two will go about 300 miles with one tank. dale
Posted 8/28/ 18:07 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
SE Iowa
i have 2 tanks one is 80 and the other one is 50 or 60. they have auto shut offs seems to fill around 75% i go to fill when I get around 400 miles still have a quarter tank chadincolo
Posted 8/28/ 18:23 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
If you are looking for more details, kindly visit lpg-bobtail-truck.
Lander, WY
Yeah, that's a nice truck, but about 6 times the cost of what I'm looking at... Thanks though. chadincolo
Posted 8/28/ 18:34 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Schwan's truck questions
Lander, WY
Yep, you are the one I've seen pictures of. I talked to someone who said they got a bit better mileage than you
(10-12 empty or so
). I was hoping to be about 1/4-1/3 lower than the cost per mile of my V10
(14 or so empty, 9-11 with trailer
). Summer fill was about $1.25 here, would need to hop on it to get cheap propane before winter now. Do you agree with the comment farther down about having all the power needed? Never been in an 8.1
(propane or gas
), but the V10 has never left me thinking I needed more, grew up towing with 350 Chevy's...don't need hp...
Most of the time I don't need 4x4, losing the back seat of my extended cab would be a negative, but honestly it's usually just me or me and the 2 kids, rarely has someone actually sat in the back seat. The ones I've looked at are in the $4- range as a cab and chassis, I can scrounge up a decent enough flatbed
(probably not as nice as yours
) for $500-. Figure if I do it I can have something for $ or so that will last me for years and years. a4t-
Posted 8/28/ 19:56 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
Dearfield Co.
watch how your states you travel in handle the fuel tax on the propane you use.Nebraska used to require a special use permit for anything lp powered to make sure they got some tax revenue incase you filled out of your home tank dale
Posted 8/28/ 19:58 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: RE: Schwan's truck questions
SE Iowa
yes they have plenty of power that load on the trailer was the first i used the truck for pulling first thought it was a little doggy pulling but when i was done weighed the load and it was close to 20,000 lbs of hay plus the trailer shouldn't have been loading it that heavy but it went faster this way. pulled right up there with the duramax. they may do better empty i have a half ton i use most of the time so this is just for pulling, when i got 6 mpg that was a 250 mile round trip empty going and pulling a mower home so 6 was the average for the trip. this will out tow any 350.
there is plenty of room in the cab its 60/40 seats and the 60 part lifts up and is all storage under it, carry all my straps in there. Jon Hagen
Posted 8/28/ 20:00 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
Hagen Brothers farms,Goodrich NDHagen Brothers farms,Goodrich ND
We have run heavy trailer towing pickups on LP for 30 years. Even with the 40 cents state / federal tax added, LP is a good value if you have large tanks for storage to take advantage of summer fill prices.
Our state is pretty good to work with on farm trucks , they allow you to estimate MPG and prove miles driven per year , so you only pay tax on road miles while filling from the same tanks that fuel home heating and crop drying. They have never questioned the numbers if they seem realistic.. You pay your share of road upkeep and still take advantage of off season high volume fuel discounts. bushton4
Posted 8/28/ 20:20 (# - in reply to #)
Subject: Re: Schwan's truck questions
mine was a complete dog when it came to pulling. 7.4L with the old injection system that looked a like throttle body injection. Wouldnt pull a 500 bu grain cart up the hills of NW KS. Dont know if it was the gear ratio vs the allison tranny that killed it or what the cause. Rode like a brick, crap for fuel milage even with the cheap LP. Sold it and made some money on the back side. Everyone has told me the newer injection system's are a lot better than the late 90's vintage. Good luck
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