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judgejp

325abn

I use a bilge pump. I did us a sharpie to write "food grade" on the top of it. :)

Jim Brown

Gentlemen; WAYNE makes a stainless steel pump with a polycarb impeller we just bought one to off load sap at the sugar house pumps 15 gallon per mnute. Has a 1hp motor

Jim

spencer11

Do you have a link to where you go it? How much? I need a pump quick!

team40

This is the pump i got http://www.harborfreight.com/34-horsepower-clear-water-pump-69297.html i dont know if it is food grade but it is only going to be used for sugaring this season
and then i am going to get a gas power one this summer money is running low this season hope this helps

spencer11

how do you like it?

wkies

I've been in the market for one as well. If anyone has a link to a quality setup that would be perfect. I have searched for a while and have found a few but have been unwilling to pull the trigger because I'm not sure it's the right type.

team40

honestly i have not used it but i think it will work for what i need it for. i have to pump about a 100 feet up a hill to the holding tank
and have to suck you of the gathering tank on the back of the 4 wheeler.

backyard sugaring

Jim Brown, I am looking into buying the Wayne pump I need it to lift my sap up 10 feet to my holding tank. Do you think this would work for me? Thank you in advance for your help. Lee

Farmboy

I bought a red lion pump from tractor supply. It was $200. It pumps 60 something gallons per minute. Its a little cheaply made, I snapped the air filter off when it was really cold out by bumping it on a truck tailgate. But for $200 what do you expect.

whalems

Ausable

Hi All, I'm looking for a food grade 110v electric transfer pump for transferring sap from a 65 gallon gathering tank to a 275 gallon tote. The head is about 8-10 feet. Curious what people are using.
thanks Pat
Pat. - I use a Wayne submersible sump pump and it came with a garden hose adapter and it is 110v. Have used it for the last two years and has saved me lots of work. Have pumped from barrels on my Son's trailer through a hundred feet of hose to my storage barrels at the Sugar Shack. Also picked up a 12' hose and pump from my storage barrels to my feed tank. Quick and easy to use - hardest part is draining hoses when done. ------Mike------

Flatlander

I was looking for the same thing years ago. My brother pointed me to home brewing supply houses. You can get food grade pumps, both self priming and non priming pumps and you can get them that will handle hot liquid as well. They were not too outragious in price and have worked well.

good luck!

adk1

You have a link to these sites or what flats

Flatlander

I'M sorry, guess that would have helped.
http://morebeer.com/search?search=pumps
I do believe it was More Beer.

backyard sugaring

Thanks Flat. The price is right and they are all food grade. At first I thought you were joking with the name of the web site. Good luck this year. Lee

bowtie

is the wayne ss sprinkler pump safe for use for sap? if so i think it would be great for me, i will to pump from collection tanks to larger tanks to haul home then pump up to my holding tank, and need something pretty fast i really did not have that much fun pumping for hours last year.

wkies

I was thinking about using a regular bilge pump. I've seen a few others using them. Anything I should be looking for when I purchase one? I'll be using it to transfer sap off the truck and into my head tank.

adk1

Is there a way to clean the pump? I would think that there will be sap left in it alittle that will get nasty.

wkies

I could run just through it to clean it. I'm I missing something?

sg5054

I was just on the shurflo web site. The marine water system pumps have the same materials for the pump housing (polypropylene) and diaphragm (santoprene). They have 12 and 24v versions. The pumps can be purchased from most marine supply houses, your local boatyard or online.
The H305 pump on the More Beer page referenced above is a Shurflo. The pump model #'s from shurflo crossed over directly on the West Marine web site(not the h305 pump though).

davidscyc

I use a pump like this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/WAYNE-1-HP-Portable-Lawn-Sprinkler-Pump-PLS100-/360390062577?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e8ebf1f1.

I bought a Simmer brand from this seller a few years ago and it works great I lift sap approxamatley 10 feet into head tank with it.

I found this pump at Amazon for $125. I'll give it a try
http://www.amazon.com/Wayne-PLS100-Portable-Sprinkling-Stainless/dp/B0002YVPSK/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

spencer11

thats the one im getting next year, not enough funds to get it this year

bowtie

thanks for the post about amazon, it will save me about $50 vs ordering it on northern tool. $159.95+ shipping vs $125 and free shipping!! hope this pump is faster than the one i used last year.

RC Maple

I was doing a search here for a food grade submersible pump that I could use to pump sap to my holding container. Nobody here said they found anything like a sump pump they could lower into a holding container and use that is food grade. When I get sap home I want to dump it in a barrel and pump it 150 feet or so to my storage outside the sugar shack. Does a pump that is 120v, submersible with a 1 - 1.5 inch discharge, and food grade exist for a reasonable price?

spencer11

RC Maple

There are a lot of options that come up when I google hydroponic pump. I didn't see "potable" or food grade listed to describe any of those pumps. Which one do you have and how are you using it?

spencer11

I got mine off amazon, ill try to see if I can find the spefic pump I have online. In one of my threads on SBI we have basically discovered that there are no "food grade" pumps in the sizes we need,I figure for a small pump the best choice would be to get a hydroponic pump since those pumps are used to grow food without soil, so those pumps probably don't leach oil into the waster, cause no one would want there plants taking in water and oil to grow food

RC Maple

I did go look up that thread you were talking about. Did you go with the pump that you posted the picture of? It looks like many have looked but no one has found the perfect pump.

68bird

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How about a RV water pump. They can be had for about $60.00, and have to be food grade.

spencer11

I don't remember what i posted lol. Ill try to find the box for it and post a link

halfast tapper

You can use a submersable well pump. Just lay it on it's side.

RC Maple

Thanks for the replies. I think I've looked at all the threads most related to my pump search. There does appear to be no perfect pump. I am going to continue to look around for a pump that I can feel comfortable with. I have got another 6 months to figure out what to do about pumping sap - if anything. Carrying those buckets is good exercise.:)

spencer11

Go to SBI and look for the thread I started about pumping, and read the last page, it will answer some of your questions. I will post the link to or row if you can't find it

RC Maple

Thanks Spencer - I did see that the pump you chose may be a winner. Thanks for the reply. I may not be carrying all those buckets after all.

bowhunter

This Shurflo park model pump would be a great option. It's designed for potable water in permanently parked RV's and runs off 110 volts. It's a diaphragm pump capable of pumping 3+ GPM with 12 feet of suction lift. It can be run dry and it's about $100 plus freight.
http://www.thepumpforce.com/index.php?p=detail&pid=13&cat_id=1

spencer11

That pump has 100' of head max and then your only getting 90 gph, and with the 1/2" ports you will get a lot of restriction with the small inlet and outlet and if you use small pipe like a 1/2" one the will greatly decrease you head and gph cause of friction, it depends on how far, how high and how much you want/need to pump. That may be a good pump to use to pump up to your head tank

SeanD

Spencer,

Did you end up getting the Wayne pump with the stainless housing? I'm looking for something that will stay in the sugar house for transferring from the collection barrels to the head tank. It seems like a lot of transfer pumps that are fixed in place, have cast iron housings.

Thanks for doing all the homework on these.

Sean

Starting Small

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Flotec-3-4-HP-Stainless-Steel-Sump-Pump-FPSS5700A/100665943?MERCH=REC-_-product-4-_-203663677-_-100665943-_-N

This pump is stainless steel, and pumps at 10 ft 4800 gph. Not sure if the stainless steel makes it any more food grade or not since it might just be the housing that is SS.
-Dave

SeanD

Thanks for the input. I've just recently gone back and combed through posts here and on the other site. Basically, it's hard finding a pump that meets all of the criteria we're looking for. Based on everything talked about, I won't find "food grade" on a pump except beer and wine pumps and those tend to be too small or too expensive. Dr. Perkins added that anything that can be used for potable water, can be used in the maple industry.

The two that have made my short list are:

http://www.powerequipmentdirect.com/Simer-2825SS-Water-Pump/p5555.html?utm_source=google+shopping&utm_medium=shop+portals&utm_campaign=2825SS&gclid=CPiYtuaGt7oCFYSd4AodIz8AYw

and

http://www.simsupply.com/HP-Stainless-Steel-Sprinkler-Pump/dp/B0002YVPSK?CAWELAID=1303347518&catargetid=1631431984&cadevice=c&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CJyKnZaHt7oCFQSk4AoddW0Agg

These pumps are strong enough, are 1", have a non-corrosive/rust housing, they are electric and they are non-submersible. I've decided against the submersible type because of the way I'm going to set up my power and barrels now. A lot of pumps have a plate to attach to a wall or something, so I'll need to figure something out with these portable types.

The one knock I have against these pumps is that I think they have to be primed. It has to pull sap about 14' before it gets to the pump. I'm not sure how to do that. Literally, I have no idea how to prime the pump. (everyone, insert joke here)

If anyone else wants to post links to the pumps they have, that would be very helpful to everyone else. Thank you to Spencer and many others for the work they have already done.

Sean

bowhunter

Here's a good option for smaller producers. Its a Shurflo (RV pump) designed for park models to run on 110 volts. Pumps 3.3 gpm and can be run dry and it's less than $100. It's designed for potable water systems so it should be safe for sap transfer. http://www.thepumpforce.com/index.php?p=detail&pid=13&cat_id=1

Thad Blaisdell

Super Sapper

Priming the pump means filling the volute with liquid. There should be a plug on top that can be removed and liquid (sap) can be poured in to fill up to the suction line. You will need to drain the pump if there is a chance of freezing otherwise the pump will stay primed for the next use.

SeanD

The pump will be about 12' away and a foot or two above the tops of the sap barrels it's pulling from. Am I filling the suction line itself with sap through the priming port (probably a few gallons) or am I only filling the pump itself which I imagine would be only a few ounces of sap?

What happens if it empties a barrel before I can get the suction line into a new barrel? Will it suck air and have to re-prime?

Should I put a check valve on the suction hose so that when it shuts off it holds sap in the line?

Sorry for the dumb questions.

Thad, thanks for the link to the cheaper pump!

Sean

SeanD

Bowhunter, that is a good pump. It's just a little smaller than I'm looking for. I'm right at the edge of maxing out its ability to lift the sap up to the head tank.

Thanks,
Sean

Super Sapper

A foot valve on the end of the suction line would help but is not necessary. If you look at the pump, the suction port is towards the top of the volute so everything below that should have liquid in it after it is primed until you drain it. When primed the pump will pull a vacuum to draw up the liquid, any leaks on the suction side of the pump will decrease that vacuum and make it more difficult for the pump to draw up the liquid. Once the air is out of the line the pump can overcome some minor vacuum leaks so having a full suction hose would be a benifit if your seal or fittings leak a little air. Running dry without the pump primed will burn up your seal fast, with it primed it can go for a while before it damages the seal.

SeanD

I ended up going with the Wayne pump. I found it on line for $128. With shipping, the total was $137.55. Thanks for all the feedback. Here's the link:

http://www.farmandfleet.com/products/407285-wayne-portable-lawn-pump.html#.UtE67igoBd0

Sean

RC Maple

This is the same pump we talked about a few pages ago. I was thinking of this same pump to pump sap with. I carry my sap with 5 gal buckets about 200 feet from my garage to my sugar shack. I don't know if subconsciously I think that carrying all that sap two 5 gal buckets at a time is good for me or what but I couldn't pull the trigger on buying it and the hose and fittings to go with it. I'll probably have to go through a week or so of good sap running days to remember why I wanted to do it after last season.

Outdoorsman0490

http://t.homedepot.com/p/Wayne-1-10-HP-Thermoplastic-Utility-Pump-GFU110/203663846/

Any thoughts on this pump. I am in the same boat with everyone else. This one has a plastic housing and is "oil-free"

sugarsand

We been using a pool pump for many years, big selection at cheap prices on ebay. Pump located in the boiling shed, then hard piped to storage tanks and head tank. Sap can be tranferred between tanks by simply opening and closing various valves.

Sugarsand

eustis22

I'm strongly considering this one as I have an old 12V lying around along with a batter charger

http://www.harborfreight.com/12-volt-marine-utility-water-pump-94639.html

Bruce L

Just picked up a 1/2 hp convertible cast iron jet pump at TSC for $191 ,that will eliminate 1 more gas motor for me,so one gas motor( generator) will run everything

needmoremaples

i found this thread quite useful so i want to add to it. a lot of the links posted did not work so anyone on a future search can try mine. I found some on Amazon (try not to shop there but it is good to find what i want and then find it somewhere else after). a couple brewery equipment websites got me what i wanted in food grade without the prop 65 warning also. you can buy the heads in food grade plastic but thats when the prop 65 comes into play. and Gator dont play that ****.

this is the one i found suited my needs best. it is 420 gph/18 ft of head (many pumps are rated for this amount), safe to run dry but still needs to be primed, 100% food grade including the bearings (has stainless pump housing aka volute) and in total 160 bucks shipped from minnesota. https://www.northernbrewer.com/collections/pumps/products/chugger-x-dry-ss-inline-pump

amazon- https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GX34LF5/ref=ox_sc_act_title_9?smid=A27C73K55P95XO&psc=1

great cheaper pump similar to above but cant run it dry.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07H3BPVC8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_7?smid=A2GG9MTP6E9GR4&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073P19L8P/ref=ox_sc_act_title_10?smid=A29QGMNLIAIH3Y&psc=1

the other short list of what i came close to buying. great pumps but many dont say food grade and some dont even say potable water.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NBKE62I/ref=ox_sc_act_title_8?smid=A27C73K55P95XO&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000JGH2F6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WGMKW4B/ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?smid=A2AVFAO3Q2HX8Y&psc=1
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074TBCT86/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A2GSM7Z6UU3ASA&psc=1

non amazon websites were northernbrewer.com and morebeer.com . many other useful parts and fittings in there too.

Allegheny BBQ

Thanks for the additions and update.

needmoremaples

got another pump for in the field. there are seaflo and shurflo 12v and some 110v diaphragm pumps on the market. they are for RV's normally so suitable for drinking/potable water. self priming up to 4-6 ft and 40-60 psi. I went with a 4.5 gpm (more like 3 gpm with hoses on) seaflow which came from Illinois but ordered from amazon. there are cheaper varieties even further on ebay. these are also the same pumps used for vacuum systems in the bush that are hooked up to 12v battery and stored in a cooler. normally setup on a timer or a thermostat to shut off after freezing up.

Swingpure

I have been looking at a ton of different pumps. Lots of Shurflo ones. The one thing I noticed is the Seaflow ones have a 4 year warranty, where virtually every other pump has a one year warranty.

90%+ of the time, I am just going to be pumping from a 55 gallon barrel into a 5 gallon pail.

I saw this one on the Cdn Amazon site, which seems to have all of the features one would need. https://www.amazon.ca/Seaflo-Water-Diaphragm-Pressure-Pump/dp/B07DQT1FVZ/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=Seaflo+12V+DC+3.0GPM+55PSI+42+Series+Diap hragm+Water+Pressure+Pump&qid=1632799834&sr=8-3

Biz

I like this one for sap transfer, Delavan 5gpm. It is a 12 volt diaphragm pump. Have been using them a couple years now without any problems. It has NSF/ANSI certifications for drinking water which should be good enough for sap pumping usage.

https://www.amazon.com/Delavan-5850-201E-SB-Diaphragm-5-0GPM-Demand/dp/B079V2NBQF

Swingpure

I have done a lot of research on pumps and I have received a lot of advice from drill pumps to bilge pumps to RV pumps to actual water transfer pumps and there are many good solutions and I have not decided on one yet. Prior to looking at pumps, I had ordered a good quality rain barrel spigot and it finally arrived. I installed it today and tested it. It filled up my 5 gallon pail at a rate of 3 gallons per minute. As the water level got below the spigot, I tilted the barrel and that got rid of 99.9% of the water, then I picked up the plastic barrel and dumped out the remaining water.

For me, right now, (right now with my current setup, going into the spring), all I need to do is transfer sap from a 55 gallon barrel into a 5 gallon pail. This works. I am still going to keep my eye open for an effective yet thrifty pump, but I think I am going to order some more low tech spigots in the meantime.

22523

CTSap4Maple

Wondering if anyone has used military water pumps that are for potable water use. EC Shleyler and American-Marsh are a couple of the manufacturers. The one below is diesel and stamped “fresh water 65 GPM”. Looking to transfer from my totes to trailer tote in the field, so I need gas/diesel. Thanks.

22524

Pdiamond

That will get the job done. Being prior military, those things are built like tanks. If you get one just make sure to do all the maintenance as per the manual.

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